most guns. >> host: one of the weakness is i felt in your book, and was dealing with the consequences of a gun violence and you touch on this some, but 12,000 people murdered with guns every year and another 18,000 commit suicide with guns every year i even mentioned to someone that living with guns they said shouldn't be living and dying with guns, you know, you talk with people that enjoy hunting and people at gun shows that are gun enthusiasts. i don't think you talk to anybody in the book that had been direct victims. >> guest: the brady campaign has done so much to give people a voice. i hadn't done anything to ignore the problem, let it -- if you look at the 30,000 roughly in your figure of people who died, there are of course many thousands more who are injured by guns every year, but you know, half of them are suicides.